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humorist + humanist ([personal profile] erinptah) wrote in [community profile] andthatstheword2009-07-30 08:09 pm

What I Think About When I Think About Liberal!"Stephen"

Check it out, I wrote some actual organized meta :D

Okay, semi-organized. It's a collection of thoughts on liberal!"Stephen".

Background, for those of you just tuning in: On October 2, 2007, TCR flashed briefly into an alternate universe. The Wørd: Troops Out Now. The host: a pipe-smoking long-haired peacenik hippie version of the straightlaced conservative character we know and love.

There's obviously a wealth of possibility with this guy. (Fellow liberals, ILU, but you know we are totally mockable.) But there's only so much characterization you can get out of one short clip.

So this is where I get the rest.




Please note that, in the following, "conservative" and "liberal" are used to make gross generalizations about two broad swaths of thought that dominate the American political system. Variations are unaddressed. Smaller groups (where my Libertarians at?) are ignored. Non-U.S. schools of thought are right out. Got it? Good.

Okay, so you're going to make a satirical liberal caricature. Where do you start?

One solution would be to take the regular Colbert character and just flip all his viewpoints. Hard-line hawk becomes hard-line dove, etcetera. But that doesn't match up with reality. You'd get a loud and bombastic pundit shouting uncompromising liberal views, and how many of those have you seen on TV lately? (Say what you will about Olbermann, but one angry liberal does not an equivalent make to O'Reilly and Geraldo and Hannity and Rush and on and on and on.)

Liberals don't just disagree with conservatives on the issues. We operate on a completely different set of assumptions.

So here's what I think about when I think about liberal!"Stephen".




I think about Robert Frost's observation: "A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel."

Conservative Stephen will take a stand on every issue possible, from the religion we should spread in the Middle East to the world's best type of sandwich, and then announce at the top of his lungs that anyone who disagrees must also be in favor of setting kittens on fire.

Liberal Stephen has his beliefs, yes; but if you disagree, well, you're entitled to your opinion. And if you really and truly feel that setting kittens on fire is a good thing to do, your belief is still just as valid as his, and who is he to tell you it's wrong?

I think about the related admonition, "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." Conservative Stephen will stand for nonsensical things. Liberal Stephen will fall for them.

And then there's the slightly graphic variation, "Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out."

Conservative Stephen has his mind closed and locked in a stainless-steel safe. Liberal Stephen's brains are slopping all over the place. People learn to keep at a safe distance to avoid stepping in them.




I think about this ThreatDown, in which conservative Stephen explains his rigid schedule: "With every second planned, I have no room for self-reflection or doubt. I had a free moment once, back in 1999, and I almost swallowed my tongue."

Liberal Stephen isn't rigidly anything. He's permissive; he's freewheeling; he's late for everything, because he claims that any kind of schedule is tyrannical. (He believes the same thing about hygiene, in contrast to conservative Stephen's no-hair-out-of-place image.)

And he is eaten up by self-reflection and doubt.



I think about that classic phrase, "With great power comes great responsibility."

Conservative Stephen grabs for power, power, power. He runs for president; he orders around the Nation; he claims to rule his household. But he can't stand responsibility. Religion "takes responsibility away from you and gives it to God," he proclaims, in one argument for the merits of faith. And he certainly doesn't have responsibility to, say, care for the environment, or feed the homeless.

(He doesn't actually want power, either, and wouldn't know what to do with it if he got it. But that's another essay.)

Liberal Stephen runs from power. He disavows it whenever he can; he declares himself to be unworthy of it. But if you tell him something is his responsibility, he'll accept that. He's a believer in socialized medicine — not the Democratic plans that the right vilifies as "socialism", but the real deal. While there is a soul in prison, he is not free.

Needless to say, he carries an awful lot of guilt.




I think a lot about Geoffrey Jellineck.

If Strangers With Candy's Chuck Noblet is a proto-Stephen, then Geoffrey contains a lot of the seeds of what could have been liberal Stephen. He's a sensitive artist who emotes all over the place.

In episode 1x07, "Feather in the Storm", convinced that Jerri is suffering from the deadly serious anorexia, desperate to get her parents to understand, he cries, "Let him talk!"

"Him who?" asks Jerri's mother.

"Him me," says Geoffrey earnestly.

Conservative Stephen will open a show with a rousing chorus of "Me-me-me-me!" But liberal Stephen, like Geoffrey, is pathologically unable to demand attention in this way — to such an extreme that, even when he believes it's necessary in order to save someone's life, he can only manage it in the third person.

While the conservative Stephen is suspicious of everyone and everything, the liberal version is intent on thinking the best of everyone, in blatant defiance of self-preservation. This is clear in his lone segment, "Troops Out Now", in which he figures terrorists will all come around if we just sit down and talk. It's the same principle underlying SWC episode 3x09, "Bully", in which Geoffrey cannot seem to process the idea that the new teacher is a raging homophobe.

In fact, "Bully" explores all kinds of weaknesses of Geoffrey's philosophy. "Listen I think we got off to a pretty bad start there," he says cheerfully. "It's probably my fault." (Sense of great responsibility.) "Tell ya what, why don't we head over to my class. I have a blow torch, we'll fire up some crème brulees, have a little rap session and work out this whole misunderstanding!" (Then we'll each share a feeling...) When the homophobe tells him to either quit or fight, Geoffrey's perkiness never fails: "I appreciate your opinion but I won't be doing either." (Your belief is still valid, though!)

"Nothing you do or say will cause me to react or protect myself in any way," Geoffrey declares, when finally called out to fight. He ends up beaten bloody.

Robert Frost, eat your heart out.




I think about Russ Lieber, a TCR character who hasn't been seen for a couple of years (which is really a shame). Judging by the title of his book, he's another Geoffrey type: Raising Your Voice by Raising Your Hand: A Non-Confrontational Dissenter's Guide to Fighting Back Politely.

And I think about Politically Neutral Dog, a meme which, at its best, is liberal Stephen in canine form. (I realize that leads to several dozen pages of macros, half of which are in Portugese, so let me link to a few of the most on-point.)

To Godwin an argument with liberal Stephen, say "You're the kind of person who appeased Hitler." (Witness the ACLU defending the rights of neo-Nazis.) To Godwin conservative Stephen, say "You're the kind of person who followed Hitler." (He's openly pro-fascism.)




I also think about relentlessly cheerful Onion columnist Jean Teasdale. And that, in turn, makes me think about the Serenity Prayer.

Conservative Stephen is completely unable to accept the things he can't change. He will shout at them until they have to change, damnit!

Liberal Stephen — like Geoffrey; like Jean — thinks he has to accept everything.

All of them could use a little more wisdom.




And, speaking of the Serenity Prayer, I think about a scene from Desperate Housewives. (Bear with me, now.) Main character Susan is trying to show off in front of her ex, so she brings out her new husband, Mike. After one-upping each other about salaries and recently-bought houses and how well their kids are doing, the ex notices Mike has a keychain. "Oh, yeah," says Mike casually, "that's for being thirty days sober."

This of course loses the contest for Susan, who gets very frustrated about it later on, in spite of Mike's protests: "But at rehab they tell us we're not supposed to be ashamed about it!"

That's liberal Stephen all over. If conservative Stephen's watchword is repression, then liberal Stephen is the embodiment of too much information.

An example: Conservative Stephen can be on the verge of a nervous breakdown, but he will still refuse to admit that anything is wrong. Liberal Stephen will tearfully spill his innermost feelings, and the probable psychosexual implications of the dream he had last night, to the bank teller who made the mistake of saying "How are you today?"

Another: Conservative Stephen insists that gay sex is vile and disgusting and sinful, and he would never, ever think about it. Liberal Stephen, meanwhile, will happily go into gory detail, santorum and all, about the gay sex he had last night. And he'll do it on Oprah.




I also think about this one scene from Black. White., a short-lived reality show from 2006.

One of the characters, a white girl, has brought home some acquaintances from her all-black slam poetry class. They hang out; they talk; they have a snack; they do some freestyle verse. All is going well.

Then the white girl's mother decides that all these poets have Inspired Her to unleash her own Artistic Spirit. She gets up in front of this group and allows her thoughts to flow freely. Her stream of consciousness, addressed to her audience, includes phrases like "beautiful black creature."

The guests unanimously take this as their cue to leave. The white daughter can barely look them in the eye as they trickle out, so hard is she cringing.

You almost prefer conservative Stephen's refusal to see race at all.




Liberal Stephen is all for programs that involve hiring completely unqualified people just because they're not white and/or male.

It's the same impulse that leads him to buy T-shirts for awful indie bands, only watch mainstream movies if they've been pirated, and run his computer entirely on ragged beta-version open-source software. Sure, his programs crash all the time, but at least he isn't supporting the hegemonic power of Microsoft.

Conservative Stephen only admits to listening to Top 40 artists, constantly admonishes his viewers against pirating, and runs everything on Microsoft products. He's a fan of unregulated monopolies.




I think about the prisoner's dilemma.

The classical form goes like this: "Two suspects are arrested by the police. The police have insufficient evidence for a conviction, and, having separated both prisoners, visit each of them to offer the same deal. If one testifies (defects from the other) for the prosecution against the other and the other remains silent (cooperates with the other), the betrayer goes free and the silent accomplice receives the full 10-year sentence. If both remain silent, both prisoners are sentenced to only six months in jail for a minor charge. If each betrays the other, each receives a five-year sentence. Each prisoner must choose to betray the other or to remain silent. Each one is assured that the other would not know about the betrayal before the end of the investigation. How should the prisoners act?"

Or, to adapt Wikipedia's handy table:

B Stays Silent...B Betrays...
A Stays Silent...6 months eachA: 10 years
B: goes free
A Betrays...A: goes free
B: 10 years
5 years each


The table makes it pretty clear: if you care only about yourself, then the rational thing to do is betray your partner. It means less prison time for you, no matter which option your partner takes.

However, if you care about your partner's welfare, and you trust your partner to stay silent, the rational thing to do is keep mum yourself. That leads to the best outcome for the team.

Put in this situation, conservative Stephen will always betray. Always. He doesn't trust anyone. ("Jon Stewart and I don't talk," he insists over and over, to Bill O'Reilly or Larry King or whoever else is interviewing him. He's Peter, and the cock is crowing.)

Liberal Stephen will always stay silent. No matter what. After all, he couldn't possibly be so disrespectful as to imply that his partner might not be trustworthy.




As long as we're talking about incredibly nerdy things: Liberal Stephen is a carrier of the Five Geek Social Fallacies, especially the pathological versions of GSF1 and GSF2. Conservative Stephen is the kind of ostracizing, judgmental person who induces those fallacies in the first place.

To keep up the nerdiness: When it comes to liberal Stephen, Tim Minchin has got him pegged.




I think about Nice Guys.

They're diagrammed further in this xkcd strip, and immortalized in verse by this marvelous poem.

Conservative Stephen is (or tries to be) the archetypal jerk. He is In Charge and it's All About Him and everyone must Follow His Orders. He's deeply insecure at heart, but he covers it as best he can with shouting and ego and declarations of authority.

(Secretly, he would love to find someone to tie him up, slap him around, and shag him senseless. But his inability to trust anyone throws a bit of a wrench in that plan. Besides, he can't let anyone suspect that he can be vulnerable.)

Liberal Stephen, on the other hand, tries to be the Nice Guy. He's open about his insecurities; he refuses to shout or get angry; he's always doing things for other people. (Including indie publishers and open-source programmers.) He's afraid that he's selfish at heart, so he goes overboard to compensate.

(Secretly, he would love to find someone he could tie up, slap around, and shag senseless. But he doesn't trust himself enough to go through with that plan. Besides, he couldn't bring himself to be that mean.)

In this lovely parable, it's easy to see at which stage each one is stuck.




Finally, a note about family.

Both versions of this character come from a Strict Father family, archetypal to the point of ridiculousness. (I Am America (And So Can You!) has the details.) It's all there: obedience and discipline, pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, rational self-interest, the works.

Conservative Stephen embraced this philosophy and never looked back. It's how he relates to his government; it's how he relates to his religion; and these days he is (or claims to be) the head of such a family in his personal life.

Liberal Stephen took this philosophy and ran as far as he could in the other direction. His ideal for everything is the archetypal Nurturant Parent family. If he weren't childfree, it's the model he would be using with his own kids.

So in spite of their differences, they're both cut from the same cloth, using wildly divergent tactics to cope with what are ultimately the same issues.




Okay, a confession.

I'm mostly posting this in the hope that it will strike people with plotbunnies. Because I love this version of the character, and crave more fic about him.

So if anything in here strikes you as possible fic material, take it and run with it. Or, if you think I have gotten some bit of this (or every bit of it!) completely wrong, throw together a fic about the way you think it really is.

As far as I'm concerned, this 'verse is a playground full of shiny new toys. Come on in and play.


[identity profile] espreite.livejournal.com 2009-07-31 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
Ooh, thanks for posting this. It's really interesting to see where you derived the character from, and it makes a lot of sense. I'm not in a state of awakeness to make a coherent, specific reply, but suffice to say I'll be checking out links and rereading. Shiny new toy-filled playground indeed! :)

[identity profile] rissaofthesaiya.livejournal.com 2009-07-31 03:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Liberal!Stephen is truly the shiniest of shiny new toys. This was a great read, I always love seeing insights into a character like this and I think there are a lot of potential plotbunnies for him.

Thanks for the links, too, I'd seen some of them before but am new to Tim Minchin and Politically Neutral Dog. The kitten-burning link is also a great read and anyone who skipped it should go back and read it right now. (Or don't. Your call. (http://memegenerator.net/81859/overthrow-the-corporate-government-establishment-or-not.aspx))

I've been trying to write a comment on what you actually wrote, but it always ends up sounding horribly partisan so I'll just say I enjoyed reading it and go watch Countdown :)

[identity profile] rissaofthesaiya.livejournal.com 2009-07-31 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
It was just a sort of 'yeah, us liberals can be pretty dumb sometimes' sentiment, I'm just a bit wary of talking about my own politics at the moment because I've got into too many internet arguments that way.

I am totally with you on the comedy thing. I wish the Half Hour News Hour had been GOOD, I would have watched it! Everyone needs to be made fun of occasionally, if only to keep your head at a size where it can still fit through doorways.
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I actually maxed out the character limit the first time, wtf.

[personal profile] sarcasticsra 2009-08-02 08:58 am (UTC)(link)
This is incredibly interesting, and I love it.

Some random thoughts I'm going to share:

I've been trying to write that alt!Needverse fic I mentioned (I have about 200 words, bah) and it keeps stalling on me, and I'm honestly not sure if it's because I'm just writer's blocked (though I've been writing original stories like mad lately, so I don't think it's that) or because I...don't think I like liberal!"Stephen" very much. I mean, the meta fascinates me, as do the possibilities of exploring the role-reversals, and as a character he's certainly interesting, but as a person? He just annoys me. Far more than c!"Stephen" ever has.

I keep going back to the thing Jon always says, about comedy and ideology, and I wonder if that's why. I mean, obviously, it's not like I think liberals are unmockable, because...uh, I have a brain. And I tell myself, it can't be that, because I laugh when TDS makes fun of Democrats and Obama. But! I'll add, I don't really consider either most Democrats or Obama to be liberals. I'm much, much more liberal than both, after all, and when asked I never describe myself as a Democrat. I always say liberal. So then I think about it, and I think about the characters, and I know if I knew both in real life, I'd probably want to kill them both pretty quickly. c!"Stephen" and I could at least get into a few shouting matches, though, and I'd run circles around him, because I'm smarter and louder and he kind of folds like a cheap card table when confronted with any real adversary, and it'd be fun. With l!"Stephen"...I don't know. I'd just be like, "Yeah, I'm pretending you're not on my side. Bye now." and leave before I was tempted to strangle him. I'm not sure. It might just be because, as a liberal, I've had to deal with so many stupid-ass stereotypes about liberals, writing about a walking, talking breathing one just pushes my buttons in a way that writing about a conservative stereotype doesn't. (Not that c!"Stephen" strictly fits that stereotype, of course.) And if this is the case, if there's anything I can do to get over it.

As far as Needverse goes specifically, though...I'm wondering if I just like writing sub!"Stephen" too much to ever enjoy writing dom!"Stephen". Obviously, they're characters, but sub!"Stephen" is...someone I could help, if that makes sense, and so writing Jon taking care of him is my way of...vicariously helping, I guess? I couldn't help dom!"Stephen" in the same way, because I'm just not at all a submissive person, so writing it might just be harder for me because of that.

Oh, and since I was recently re-reading our comment threads on my one fic: In one comment I said I thought liberal!"Stephen" secretly knows he's pushing people away, if in a really round-about manner, and you replied that you didn't think he had that kind of guile. So I was thinking about that, because I never really addressed it in my response to you, and I don't know how exactly to describe what it is, but I don't see it as guile. It's like c!"Stephen" secretly knowing he's gay. Part of him, deep down, is completely aware of it, but he's built of so many defenses and created so many rationalizations that he doesn't really...think about it. His hiding it isn't guile, per se. He doesn't wake up every day and go, "Okay, how do I hide the fact that I'm gay today?" It's something he knows but it's buried so deep that he can genuinely play oblivious. It'll crop up every now and again (See: him going to his mirror late at night and saying, "You're gay." and nodding and then getting angry.) but for the most part, it stays hidden. I think l!"Stephen" is the same way in the boundary department. Deep down, he knows that the way he acts is going to scare people away, but he's justified it to himself as Boundaries Are A Bad Thing so many times that he doesn't think about it all the time, and can genuinely play oblivious. It might crop up eventually, and since he's l!"Stephen" he'll analyze it to death and get fifty-three different contradicting opinions and try to take them all to heart and end up going absolutely nowhere, and by the time he's done, it'll have been long buried again.

I have no idea if any of that is remotely intelligible or interesting, but yeah. Whoo, meta at five in the morning! Good times.
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Re: I actually maxed out the character limit the first time, wtf.

[personal profile] sarcasticsra 2009-08-02 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
So he has a lot going for him. I've just been shying away from focusing on it because I don't want to do too much "and this is why liberals ROCK." (Obviously we do, but it seems a little self-serving to write about it =P)

I think you're going to have to play it up just a little bit more; anyone who writes him is, really. We all play up c!"Stephen"'s endearing traits a lot when we write him, so why not l!"Stephen"'s? It makes him likable enough that we're willing to deal with his less endearing traits when they manifest. And obviously l!"Stephen" is a very new addition to the fanon world, one we don't have years of canon for, so we'll have to work a little harder at it.

If you walked away from l!Stephen, he would send you a card with cute fuzzy animals saying "I'm Sorry", and probably a gift card for a nice restaurant or something.

This probably says more about me than l!"Stephen", but that would bewilder me a little. Especially if we'd just met and I already didn't like him; I'd be sort of suspicious of his motives. But then, as I've said before, c!"Stephen" and I have a lot more in common that way.

Like, l!Stephen will slap Jon, and then panic - "oh no are you hurt I'm sorry I'm a terrible person how could I have enjoyed that" - and Jon will reassure him that it's okay to have a bit of an inner sadist. Which is definitely something I've felt guilty over. (Don't know how useful that is to you, though - especially if you never have fantasies about smacking someone around in the first place =P)

Heh, I've long since gotten over any kind of guilt about my kinks at this point, so...that's not so helpful. I'm sure if I keep trying it'll eventually let me finish writing it; it's just not playing nice at the moment. Oh, muses. You can be so fickle.

But even then, no level of the system is saying "how can we push people away?" His gut is saying "This will drive people off, so don't do it," and his brain is saying "I don't want to drive people off, but you're not being logical, so I won't listen to you."

That's what I was trying to articulate: that part of him, at some level, will say, "you know if you do this it'll scare people away" but nothing too conscious, so it manifests as that gut instinct, which he can then dismiss as illogical. And, of course, like you said, every so often someone will point it out to him, but because he tries to trust everyone, he goes nowhere, and nothing changes, and the cycle repeats itself.
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[identity profile] sirdrakesheir.livejournal.com 2009-08-03 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I HAVE NOTHING USEFUL TO SAY BUT WHY DOES EVERYTHING ABOUT L!STEPHEN MAKE ME LAUGH TO THE POINT OF TEARS OH GOD
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[identity profile] sirdrakesheir.livejournal.com 2009-08-03 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I THINK BASICALLY IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S ALL SO TRUE

I THINK IT'S MOSTLY BECAUSE, HAVING BEEN BOTH A CONSERVACHRISTIAN OF THE TYPE C!STEPHEN IS MOCKING AND A BLEEDING-HEART LIBERAL, L!STEPHEN IS BY FAR THE MORE ACCURATE PARODY AND IT MAKES ME LAUGH
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[personal profile] sarcasticsra 2009-08-03 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
WHOA DUDE YOU USED TO BE A CONSERVACHRISTIAN TOO?
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[identity profile] sirdrakesheir.livejournal.com 2009-08-03 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL HELL YES

MY EXCUSE IS THAT I WAS TWELVE YEARS OLD AT THE TIME
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[identity profile] sirdrakesheir.livejournal.com 2009-08-03 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
ALSO, ONE RECOVERING CONSERVACHRIS TO ANOTHER, DOES STEPHEN FAIL AT UNDERSTANDING THE MENTALITY OR DOESN'T HE. I REALLY THINK THAT A MAJORITY OF THE TIME, HE REALLY, REALLY DOES.
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[personal profile] sarcasticsra 2009-08-03 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
...I WAS THIRTEEN.

I TOOK MY BIBLE PLACES AND QUOTED SCRIPTURE AT MY FRIENDS AND CONTINUALLY PESTERED THEM ABOUT NOT BELIEVING IN GOD.

I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DIDN'T PUNCH ME IN THE FACE. I WAS SO OBNOXIOUS.
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[identity profile] sirdrakesheir.livejournal.com 2009-08-03 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
LOLZ I WAS A RTC SCHOOL SO I DIDN'T DO THAT BUT IT WAS A RIDICULOUS ECHO CHAMBER OF RIDICULE
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[personal profile] sarcasticsra 2009-08-03 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
UM I THINK HE GETS SOME PARTS BETTER THAN OTHERS. THE WHOLE WELL-INTENTIONED THING, AT LEAST, AND THE WAY HE'LL BE ALL "I'm a gentleman but you're still going to hell." DEFINITELY RINGS TRUE AT LEAST IN MY CASE. (I said, very earnestly, "I don't want you to go to hell!" to my friends on more than one occasion.)
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[identity profile] sirdrakesheir.livejournal.com 2009-08-03 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
EXACTLY LOLOLOLOL I REMEMBER BEING SO DISTRESSED

IDK MOSTLY HE JUST MAKES ME SAD. THE REPRESSED HOMOSEXUAL THING, IT IS SO ;_;
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[identity profile] sirdrakesheir.livejournal.com 2009-08-03 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE POOR BABIES THAT DIED AND WENT TO HELL BECAUSE THEY NEVER SAID THE SINNER'S PRAYER
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[personal profile] sarcasticsra 2009-08-03 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
IT WAS ACTUALLY THE HOMOSEXUALITY SUBJECT THAT MADE ME STOP AND GO, "WAIT A SECOND."

ONE OF MY FRIENDS HAD BEEN GOING THROUGH AN AWFUL TIME TRYING TO FIGURE HIMSELF OUT, AND IN THE MIDST OF A CONVERSATION WITH ANOTHER CONSERVACHRISTIAN, THEY SAID THAT HOMOSEXUALITY WAS A CHOICE. SINCE THIS SO BLATANTLY DID NOT RECONCILE WITH MY EXPERIENCES I HAD TO ARGUE THE POINT, AND THAT WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE END FOR OBNOXIOUSLY RELIGIOUS SARA. THE FINAL PUSH CAME WHEN, THAT HALLOWEEN, SHE INVITED ME TO THE "HELL HOUSE" HER CHURCH WAS PUTTING ON. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO ONE OF THOSE? I WAS SO REVOLTED BY IT. THE VERY FIRST SCENE WAS OF A GAY GUY WHO HAD DIED DUE TO AIDS COMPLICATIONS AND THE DEMON REJOICING OVER TRICKING HIM INTO THINKING THAT IT WAS "JUST AN ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE." I WAS SO PISSED.

(I WENT WILDLY IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. I BECAME OBNOXIOUSLY ANTI-RELIGIOUS SARA. ONE OF THOSE ATHEISTS YOU WANT TO STAB IN THE HEAD FOR ACTING SO SUPERIOR. IT WASN'T UNTIL JUNIOR YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL THAT I FINALLY REACHED AN EQUILIBRIUM.)
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[identity profile] sirdrakesheir.livejournal.com 2009-08-03 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
OH MY GOD I HAVEN'T BEEN TO ONE OF THOSE BUT OH MY GOD, "HELL HOUSES?" WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT

NO YEAH IT WAS HOMOSEXUALITY FOR ME, TOO. I MEAN IT WAS SO OBVIOUSLY NOT A CHOICE BUT DJKKJDF HOW COULD GOD HATE IT IF IT WAS NOT A CHOICE THAT MEANS YOU WERE BORN THAT WAY BUT NO MAYBE IT'S LIKE A PSYCHOLOGICAL DISORDER BUT THERE AREN'T ANY UNIFYING TRAITS DSFJKDFSKLJDSFLKJFD

PLUS ALSO GUESS WHO'S ACTUALLY A LESBIAN LOL FUN TIMES. :|
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[personal profile] sarcasticsra 2009-08-03 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I THINK THERE'S VIDEO IF YOU LOOK IT UP ON YOUTUBE. IT'S BASICALLY, "LET'S SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU SO YOU BELIEVE IN GOD!" SERIOUSLY FUCKING AWFUL.

UGH YEAH I CAN IMAGINE THAT WOULD SUCK SO HARD. :/
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[identity profile] sirdrakesheir.livejournal.com 2009-08-03 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
IDK IN RETROSPECT IT IS VERY LOL THE WAY LITTLE!ME FLAILED

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